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Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 14:17:00 - [1] I'm willing to lose everything in the fight for BKG ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 19:31:00 - [2] little update the North is performing true to form, with RZR, MM, Mostly Harmless, PURE, ME, and Hydra forming in BKG Quite what they hope to do with 800 remains to be seen (we have about 250 in Z-K atm, so another 200 and we're already entering node crash territory), but we're eagerly awaiting their move :) Good to see them making every effort to make EVE fun. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.14 20:51:00 - [3] k, so further little update for you They (the northern blob) have over 600 next door and about 120 hydra who logged off on the way when they saw some reds in local. We got about 250 in total, but have decided to play a game of 'f*** it' and have shoved 60 carriers on the BKG gate. So lets see what happens :) ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 01:29:00 - [4] fight appears to be over we're all having a bit of a gawp at the 350-odd yellow wrecks on the BKG gate, think we need a freighter or two for the loot... I'd advise the naptrain bring more people next time, 800 V 250 clearly isnt quite enough ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 08:22:00 - [5] Well since i went to bed 6 hours ago, the KM's have still been pouring in. Astonishing. I'd love to know the final tally but this is going to take some counting. To the person who said we have 150 support, 100 BS and 60 carriers - our total numbers were never more than 260, so you do the maths. I'll be blunt, the actions of the napfest were just mindless last and they got what they deserved. There was no strategy other than lag us out with as many as possible and hope superior numbers won the day. Fun was never an intention, a good fight was never their intention, just win at all costs and deprive us of any chance of fighting back. Well, I hope you've learnt your lesson. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 09:53:00 - [6] Lets be clear about the numbers: Coaltion had over 400 in BKG, and 200 jumped in from OP9. Thats 600. They had caps on standby. HYDRA got caught with their pants down on the way, but that would have been another 130. So their numbers were at least 800 in total. Local numbers before they jumped in never topped 270. Of the 600 who jumped into Z-K, about 400 are now dead, and the rest will die when they log in :) Lag effected us very badly, but we actively and calmly managed it through various means (such as Darths special ability to see BS no-one else could, and activate his fighters ). Fighters don't auto-aggro. I know this because my carrier had drones out for 5 hours and didnt get on a single killmail until very late in the fight when I could actually assign the little buggers. However, if you shoot a carrier they will aggro, but that requires you to lock and fire (ie, not be totally lagged out). We won the fight because the coalitions only tactic was 'uberblob' and I can only imagine they were hoping for a node crash. I have no respect whatsoever for this approach to playing EVE and I'm not going to pretend I do. They got what they deserved. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 10:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Plague Black 800 nubmer is caca de toro. 500 is more correct. Wrong. 200 jumped in from OP9, and there were 450 in BKG. 130 hydra got stuck on the way. What does that figure add up to? Don't try and excuse your mindless blobbing by saying 'oh it was only 500' like it makes any difference. I've had 4 hours sleep thanks to you guys so I'm not feeling charitable with my words today
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 11:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/04/2008 11:39:39 Originally by: Gamesguy This wasnt a fight, this was a coin toss. If the node held, the attackers automatically lose because the defenders already loaded grid, and auto-aggressing fighters will kill everything. If the node didnt hold, the defenders are doomed because the attackers, being numerically superior, will log in more people when the node comes back up and pick them off one by one. Not much of a fight. Fighters do not auto-aggress unless you shoot the carrier which owns them. That requires you to have loaded the grid and activate your modules. To give you an example: nearly all but two carrier pilots could see and target the 100 BS on the gate later in the fight, but those BS had loaded the grid (they managed to kill a lone carrier out of remote rep range, none of us could see them though). We had to execute a lengthy one-by-one log in and log out plan for the carriers to get them synched back onto the grid.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 13:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/04/2008 13:28:31 Originally by: Shinori All this happened before many times, and RZR/MM still won, and will so again This has only happened once in the era of cynojammers, and that was V's BoB. They lost (as did you). So lets see what happens this time, shall we edit: I also might add that in the uber-blobbing of FATAL et al they were fighting a very different kind of entity, in very different circumstances to INSRG ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:17:00 - [10] Originally by: Shinori Originally by: Kinsy CELES were fighting BoB and doing a damm sight better than you are before you even knew this game existed, PAL. See #4, the lesson is don't recruit ex-bob or their pets. We will treat you as such. Don't you have some failing against BoB to do? ----------

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: darth solo normally i have no interest in killboards but to give out an idea of the scale of this thing, in 24 hours we have killed 571 ship, mostly all in ZK. thats inc 220 battleships. i use the word "epic" alot to rally the guys, but never has epic been so justified than now. win or lose as long as INSRG members enjoys the experience ill be happy. d solo. FFS, stop gloating and try jumping in for once, Darth. It's pretty easy to win lag fights when you always fight on your terms, never taking a risk and always waiting for the other side to jump in while you are set up to snipe. Killing all those ships in a turkey shoot is not very impressive at all. I'll admit, you guys are getting better, but CELES is still no risk all reward PVP force that you always were, it's just that now you have some backup. When I see you win a fight jumping in, like we do every day, then I'll give you some credit. Till then, you still suck. And when did you last jump into 800 people? We'll jump in if we think the node has a reasonable chance of holding, otherwise its just not worth it. Also, as you know yourself in Delve, if they want our space I'm afriad they're doing to have to do the jumping in ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Metal Dude I never said you should have jumped in to 800 ppl. But from what I know about CELES, they would have not jumped in to 250 either. They would have waited and waited till they got more or they would log off for the night without engaging. I hope that changed and you are in a better position to know if that's still CELES way. I just said that I never seen it. Have you? Yeah, during the campaign to take the 304 constellation, which was our alliances first territorial campaign, we often jumped outnumbered into 200+ It didnt always work (lag gods etc) but sometimes it did. We lost a lot of ships doing that though, and the general consensus in the end was 'its not really worth it'. Mostly, it was through boredom, and we always jumped in outnumbered, it was never a node-crash scenario as our largest fleets at the time were around 80-120. My personal view is that if one fleet is much larger than the other, they should do the jumping in ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:42:00 - [13] Originally by: clagnuts butter why dont you be quiet dude , i heard your version in the first post ,your just one of these guys what ever we did would have been wrong so stfu , we dont jump we get slated by you when we do jump we get slated , you think all those fighters had nothing to do with the lag ? , grow balls son and jump into us next time lol, being told to grow balls by someone in the naptrain is chucklesome next you'll be telling us we have too many blues ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: overcorpse I see butter nub still trying to act uber,he was awful in iss navy and i suspect hes riding the coat tails of celest apoc now. sorry oc you wil find our corp to be doing quit well on our own thank you very much. plus butter nub is so 2005 the cool kids now call me emo dog ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:06:00 - [15] Originally by: PSEWAR Originally by: Fear Not I love that we've killed more naptrain than they claim were in gang. I would propose you take a closer look at your killboard again and read the column with the name "Capsule" Tell me that again when the rest of you log in Also you might want to tell the MM fleet who escaped via 0P9, they're skewing the stats! ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Peoke wow who woulda thought al this chirping like little birds about the first day and first fight. i cant wait to see the chirps of insurgency when they cant do crap to defend thier pos and when they wont jump into a system. Shutup and bring it then. 800 didnt work, maybe 1200 will? Only one way to find out isn't there. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 19:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Can someone from Insurg please mute Malken and Butter? Its to much of smack. We could bring 2 Million players and it wouldnt have have changed how it went. It was a System lockdown. What was left after 2 hours fought hard vs a hell of caps. Only trds would say "bring more". You could be a bit more like shanda, chris or any other insurg with honor. Take it like a sportsman, tell some funny stories how close it was with your ship so we could have a smile. More fun, less smack. I was talking to Peoke, not you, so chillax ;) (i hate that word, don't you?) ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Cptn Obvious Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Peoke wow who woulda thought al this chirping like little birds about the first day and first fight. i cant wait to see the chirps of insurgency when they cant do crap to defend thier pos and when they wont jump into a system. Shutup and bring it then. 800 didnt work, maybe 1200 will? Only one way to find out isn't there. wow sir, you're a clown. and you are going to be primary target until eve ends lmao, grats. it doesnt matter how much u bring if the grid doesnt load. apparently you dont have enough brain cells to understand this. LAG was all that mattered in this fight, we cant load grid - we die. you see us - we dont see you, your fighters do the job, our battleships cant do anything for 2 hours. funny how can you talk about some kind of tactics when the screen is refreshing every 20minutes or so. also we had numbers, why not use them? should we tell half of our fleet ... "sorry guys, INSRG has only 250 ships, so 400 of you will have to go back home :(" once again, congratulations on becomming primary. lol Okay, go ahead and primary my alts archon if you must! btw why are you talking in the context of 'we'? Just smack with your main like the rest of us, its okay, its COAD, you're allowed to troll with your main ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 10:39:00 - [19] Originally by: mama guru Edited by: mama guru on 16/04/2008 10:31:55 Lets summarize this thread. Naptrain comes with a huge ***** blob, naptrain looses and wanders of in extreme angst. Insurgency FC's generally hold the opinion that it was ****** for them to jump in to begin with, but fun none the less. Everyone in MM/RZR fails at reading in between the lines of malkens and butter dogs posts. To razor and MM: You have the manpower to take us on on your own but why dont you? Why do you have to hide within those huge blobs where you bring pretty much every entity in the north? Simple, you lack the military competence to do it on your own. especially as three of our station systems arent even cynojammed, so they can't roll out that excuse that they need the uberblob for that as has been said by someone else, uberblobs stem from insecurity and lack of belief in their own ability, and selfish leadership who don't care about the fun factor for their members just imagine how much fun INSRG are having right now... morale has never been higher (and we know we'll probably lose the non-cynojammed stations, no-one cares so long as we get a few fun fights out of it) We didnt even intend to take the bloody outposts in the first place, we planted a large POS in z-k to get fights, and when we didnt get enough we decided to try the station systems and ended up accidentally conquering them that we now have all these fights on our doorstep is wonderful, when we're not fighting we only end up in-fighting, but when we are fighting we have a wonderful cohesion, so we need this attention to keep us motivated and playing the game ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:47:00 - [20] Good to see we're discussing critical issues like post counts. Most fascinating :) Who would have thought that the winning side in an engagement would be more keen to post about it than the other? Some of you need to learn the basics of human psychology it seems ----------

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: queen1121 Do you remember RZR/MM doing anything last year? Like something someone would remember? I don't. Last year? RZR/MM has: 1: Lost and retook Tenal 2. Took Branch from about a 6-8k man coalition of Mpire, fatal, FS, etc(this was the first "New North"). 3. Took Querious 4. Took Fountain(I'm not sure on this, but didnt MM end up taking the last station in fountain after smash failed like 5 times in a row?). Lets rephrase the questions then. What did they achieve without a massive coaltion of other alliances? I'm keen to hear about their success outside any uberblobs. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 13:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Katherine Marx INSURG chose to start this war We're glad it has started, because we will enjoy it. Its what the alliance was formed for, and what every corporation who joins is told. We're about fighting. However, your quoted text is factually inaccurate. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 13:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Knat Originally by: Butter Dog We're about fighting. Except you, You're about talking. And you were not this annoying when you were in ISS either. I resent that comment. I was exceptionally annoying in ISS ----------

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